He continues to hurt many people and it is now getting out of control. Of somehow being so lost to the desperate religious ego need, they have chosen to give up the least bit of testing all things, etc. Get the most recent headlines and stories from Christianity Today delivered to your inbox daily. At first, its like, There is no way this is happening but then it goes to anger, said Katie Thrush, a longtime Hillsong fan, a worship leader, and a survivor of abuse. The church staff walks on eggshells, Freese said, afraid to make any decision that might upset Driscoll. Online posts on blogs, Facebook, and email charged Platt with pushing critical race theory, revising biblical teaching on sexuality, and aligning with the SBC despite McLeans constitutional prohibition of affiliating with any denomination. It is unclear, at the time of publication, whether White is leaving Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church as elder and member, however, dual-membership is not really something that happens regularly in Reformed Baptist Churches (but on the other hand, Apologia is not a Reformed Baptist Church). I think its easier to be a lone adherent to Biblical meaning making; than it is to be an adherent within a Church. The American worship music industry has always uncomfortably existed under the pressures of both the marketplace and the church. Wolves in sheeps clothing. As a worship leader, Thrush hopes that the attention around Hillsong will push leaders and worshipers to have difficult and honest conversations that acknowledge the associations with its music. This is a line from another comment, and its one reason why people will circle up around Mark. Such is the case with the mega-church pulpit. Learn about careers at Cox Media Group. Should pastors feel this weight and even have this kind of pressure in the first place? Mercer-Taylor, an expert in American hymnology and popular music, still includes Michael Jacksons Billie Jean video in his courses. ROXANNE STONE: Hi. Get the best from CT editors, delivered straight to your inbox! Putting it off is only going to make it worse. A FAST-growing megachurch is dealing with a scandal after its pastor was allegedly caught half-naked at his home with a married employee by shocked worshippers who had stopped by to surprise him. A Florida Lawyer Argues That a Pregnant Inmates Unborn Child Is Being Illegally Detained, What God Gives Black Americans That The Country Does Not, Experts Predict the Ozone Layer Will Fully Heal Within 40 Years, The Biblical Reasons for Going Low Waste, The Spiritual Toll of Americas Food Waste Epidemic, The Buffalo Supermarket Shooter Has Been Sentenced to Life in Prison. Youre gonna give that person a long leash, especially when youre not really in a position to do firsthand investigation. The worst aspect of feminism is when its adherents decide that they want to get even by becoming the abuser. To some observers, McLeans conflict seems like a replay of other recent episodes from American evangelicalism, where leaders who appeal to Scripture to address social issues are accused of theological liberalism or secular influence even if they continue to hold traditional Christian views. This is a big moment for me!. Certainly, it seems like the most recent scandals and the U.S.-based sort of implosion really started a little over 18 months ago when the celebrity pastor of Hillsong New York City, Carl Lentz, was fired for an extramarital affair. They might be out here, lurking, trying to discern things for themselves. In his open letter, Freese says his family attended The Trinity Church for almost three years and his wife attended Mars Hill under Driscolls leadership there. The third was working at Gospel for Asia headquarters. Now the sermon is important, but any pastor in any size church can figure out how to get through 30-ish minutes with relative success and only light blasphemy. Which begs the question: Whats the rule? However, he was also under an internal investigation himself, and on March 18, Hillsong revealed that Houston had violated the churchs code of conduct by entering the hotel room of an unidentified woman for 40 minutes while under the influence of alcohol and prescription drugs during the churchs annual conference in 2019. When our hearts are in the wrong place and we no longer connect with the worship or sermonwe shirk responsibility and place blame. Houston co-founded Hillsong with his wife Bobbie in the western suburbs of Sydney, Australia as an offshoot of his father Frank Houstons Sydney-based Pentecostal church. And I think we're going to have a lot of conversations within Christianity about, like, what is a local church, because Hillsong became a model for a lot of churches, and a lot of churches were attempting to emulate what they were doing in order to grow the way that they were growing. The level of suspicion around such leaders appears to have grown during the Trump administration and during the reckoning over racism following George Floyds death last year. The songs are biblically based, she said, and some [worship leaders] have never even heard of the documentary.. And during that time, I often heard people say, I miss him so much, I feel like he really knew me. To which I would reply kindly, Had you ever spoken to the pastor? Inevitably, they would reply, No. In an Instagram post on April 6, Hillsong Worship announced its withdrawal from an upcoming tour with Casting Crowns and We The Kingdom, saying, Uniquely, Hillsong Worship is not and has never been a band. After that incident, Freese said, one of the pastors told him Driscoll was upset because I didnt draw my firearm on the man that got on stage.. It speaks volumes to me and a lot of other people, Thrush said. There are a lot of women in that catagory as well. The latest scandal regarding the global megachurch involves a 2021 internal investigative report leaked to The Christian Post that, according to the publication, details extensive stories of. After Driscoll blew up at one of the pastors, repeatedly shouting the f-word at him, Driscoll mandated that all staff attend a threat assessment two days later or lose their jobs, Freese wrote. Now, the former head of security at Driscoll's new church in Scottsdale, ArizonaThe Trinity Churchis pleading with these pastors to act. The podcast is about fame, faith and power . Documentary Features several ex-members of the church who share harrowing allegations of the trauma, abuse, homophobia and financial and labor exploitation that created a culture of chaos at Hillsong. Many are in fear of your retaliation. College Park Church in Indianapolis was accused in a blog post this spring of caving to ever-increasing social justice infiltration. Dallas pastor Matt Chandler and former SBC president J. D. Greear both have been accused of being woke, and the SBCs emerging Conservative Baptist Network (CBN) has charged some convention leaders with advocating critical race theory and downplaying the Bibles sufficiency. Worst. I have tremendous admiration for you, Evans told Driscoll in a similar birthday video The Trinity Church posted. Leaving is the first step in repentance, not the last. Christian News Network found a video posted online under Marcus Pittmans personal Facebook page. vetting worship hits on a theological basis, With Gossip of the Gospel, the Church Grows in Nepal, Southern Baptist Convention Disfellowships Saddleback Church, No Celebrities Except Jesus: How Asbury Protected the Revival, The Kings College Faces Threat of Closure, Complete access to articles on ChristianityToday.com, Over 120 years of magazine archives plus full access to all of CTs online archives. And then all these U.S. branches, as we said, started leaving Hillsong. He high-fived me at the VBS party, but we never actually met or talked.. Subscribers receive full access to the archives. From hair trends to relationship advice, our daily newsletter has everything you need to sound like a person whos on TikTok, even if you arent. Hillsong was seemingly out to make evangelical Christianity. Leighton Flowers Latest Anti-Calvinist Convert is Interfaith Ecumenist, Childermas: Matthew Henry on the Slaughter of the Innocents, Social Justice Christians Attack Nationalism With Joint Statement. If youre the church of Jesus Christ, thats really problematic.. Evans continues to list Driscoll as a team member with the marriage ministry Evans founded and continues to lead, XOMarriage.com (formerly MarriageToday). Because when we do this, we kill our pulpit and make humans out to be the gods they were never meant to be. While it could be argued that maybe hes not acting as an unbeliever, no pastor worth their salt should have supported Driscolls drive to open a new church and at that, so quickly. They argued that these werent fundraisers, but only events used to raise funds. They insisted that Apologia Church was a positive recovery environment for alcoholics and addicts, in spite of a booze fundraiser and certain lay leaders like Marcus Pittman who encouraged alcoholics to drink with control in order to prove their sanctification. and you know what? This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. This is true of any common sheep who spent more than a few weeks inside a cult like this. They're quietly racist Very sad indeed. As recently as this past February, Morris, Evans, and Taylor were named on the website as providing wise counsel, but now their names have been removed. Daniel Knighton / Getty Images. Meanwhile, leaders like Platt see the pushback as its own sort of coup and remain concerned about the influence of opposition fueled on social media and watchdog blogs. The. The Trinity Church family needs honest, loving, pastoral care. Driscoll remains a speaker on the lineup for the ministrys 2021 conference on building healthy, thriving ministries, scheduled for October. And so, knowing that the currency is you and me, its probably also helpful to note that we are the worst. That is a myth. The question becomes, What do you do when you have teams of young people who have worked really hard at what they do and are really good at it? Mercer-Taylor said. Everyone has an ego, and a little bit of it isnt a bad thing. But really, isnt there kind of a pattern emerging here of big pastors with big platforms crashing and burning? The entire controversy stemming from this is referred to as the Booze and Tattoos Debacle of 2016.. However, when the church first launched in 2016, Evans and Morris were on a non-local governing board for Trinity, and Osborne was named as wise counsel for the church. It is disgusting and these men will all be judged as will their congregations who kept funding these sharp tongues hooligans who found they could get rich quick through deceiving the church. Respectfully, you are ignoring the fact that Christians are supposed to be led by the Spirit instead of being lead by their emotions, intellect or pure ignorance. At the end of the day, in grappling with such difference in pathway and understanding, we encounter theology and individual theologising. Freese added that Driscoll threatened to bankrupt the father and bleed him dry in court using a church litigation fund whose balance had been tripled to $10 million. Hillsong Church was once the face of what's called Charismatic Christianity or, less kindly, it was also known as a hipster megachurch. By. Jess and Reed were a byproduct of an unhealthy spiritual environment that reproduces the same type of leader over and over again, added Babbitt, who baby-sat for the Bogards during her years in NYC. evangelical male leaders are apparently vulnerable to narcissism, a disregard for what is ethical (if not an inability to understand the concept), stupidity, and a clueless lack of awareness of common sense. And while I believe there are some ways to guard against this celebrity worship, the truth is that its a constant onslaught of temptation that can (and so often does) wreck people from knowing their true, God-given human value. I am grieved that what I said did not communicate or align with what I truly believe. I mean, I get that you never saw it coming and the great sermons and books by these pastors have touched your lifeand now, this?! 08-04-2018. The truth really stings. Thanks so much for having me. We will not apologize for our increasing diversity or our commitment to humbly address racial issues from Gods Word as we unite together on a glorious mission to proclaim this good Word and our great God in a city where five million-plus men, women, boys, and girls are on a road that leads to an eternal hell and need the good news of Gods love for them, he said. Platts 2020 book Before You Vote also drew criticism from some church members as being soft on traditional evangelical issues like abortion and sexuality. What opponents claim as being Platts liberal or woke politics, supporters see as the 42-year-old preachers commitment to Christ above all. The bargain musicians make when they release worship music is that the same impulses that drive ideological boycotts will apply to their music. The issue and question, it then seems to me, is how we indvidually view Mark as a partner in theological discussion, where we and he, as individuals, share and discuss what Biblical meaning and adherence to it, means for us. Regardless of how each individual or congregation decides to reckon with Hillsong, the profound spiritual experiences facilitated by its music need not be a source of shame or embarrassment, even if the memories of those experiences are now altered. Christian News Network questioned the wisdom of associating what most consider a vice - alcohol . Franz Joseph Haydnan influential Austrian composer of the 18th centuryworked for an incredibly wealthy prince for 30 years. Its a major global force in worship music. While some are quick to ask, What about the psalms of David? or If we cant sing songs written by sinners, whats left? others emphasize the need to hold worship musicfor all its formative powerto a higher standard. Recently, the situation at Hillsong was featured in Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed, a Discovery+ docuseries hooked to the 2020 termination of Hillsong New York pastor Carl Lentz, who admitted to infidelity in his marriage. After new elder nominees failed to be elected for the first time in the churchs history, Platt told the congregation in a sermon in early July that a small group of people inside and outside this church coordinated a divisive effort to use disinformation in order to persuade others to vote these men down as part of a broader effort to take control of this church.. When our feelings are hurt because we dont have the voice in leadership that we think we should have, we complain and manipulate. As the campus pastor, also known as the Junior Associate Announcements Pastor, I carried some of the weight of walking with the church through the aftermath of our pastors derailing. Venue Church Pastor Tavner Smith apologizes for 'inappropriate relationship' in return to pulpit. He added that Randal Taylor, the marketing strategist, also used a law students login to a legal system to dig up all kinds of dirt on a former church member. https://www.onethree12.com/about-us. CBN News. 0:32. We have to address conflict intentionally and face to face, Hannaford said. Shes worried that continuing to use that music could associate her or her church with Hillsong or serve as a reminder of the harm its leaders have caused. including mishandling the reporting and investigation of possible child abuse. The email also links to an open letter to Driscoll, detailing the accusations. He concluded his letter with a call to Driscoll to repent, resign, and step down and away from Trinity.. At no point in the argumentation from Durbin or White did they even marginally come close to even attempting to demonstrate any such mischaracterization. But trying to use them as an example is like me shooting four 3s in a row (never happened, by the way) and feeling equal with Steph Curry. By subscribing to this BDG newsletter, you agree to our. (In a May 2021 letter to the church, Houston wrote that Kimes experience was very disturbing and that she had the churchs full concern and pastoral support.). What I dont understand is why the people in Driscolls church stay. Pastors all over the globe should have publicly communicated stern warnings regarding all of these incidents. One last thing: There is a personal responsibility to be taken by the fallen pastor and believe me, they suffer. Scotte, I dont think narcissism is only a male trailt in ministry. ' Matt. In part, I think, you know, we've already had some of these conversations about other celebrity pastors who sort of were their church in a lot of ways. Picture a world where you like the preaching and the criticism is mostly coming from people who seem to have an axe to grind with the person, the church, or the theology. Durbin again made headlines when he made a lascivious joke about sodomy. The leader of a megachurch with a well-known Phoenix location was charged with child sex crimes and is believed to have told his victims they were going against God if they refused his . But as successive headlines chronicle revelations of moral failings among Hillsong leadership, accusations of abuse, toxic internal structures, pastors stepping down, and congregations leaving the denomination, some worship leaders are questioning whether the musical fruit of such a ministry belongs in their own churches. This, however, was not sufficient for Annas father, Ed Crenshaw. We acknowledge that change is needed, the Hillsong board said in a statement to The New York Times. We all came into Trinity with a clean slate for Mark, thinking he changed from his Mars Hill days, Freese wrote to the pastors. We've received your submission. For worship leaders worried about guilt by association, the financial connection between Hillsong and its music may be irreconcilable. That hes been able to go on destroying more lives with a ministry platform certainly links back to you. This is truly an incredible opportunity for Christs Kingdom and we are grateful to our Lord for this blessing. Whats more, every single day with every single grocery trip and every single waking moment, people are telling your pastor how fantastic they are. STONE: Well, I suppose it depends on who you asked and how far back you went. We pray that James White will influence Apologia Church more than Apologia Church will influence James White. Blind guides.They apparently do not hear or talk to God for discernment. I am not a monster., Though she wasnt a church member, Karim also appears in Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed to share her experience with Lentz. Ive said it before that these CEO pastors see themselves on a level far above and superior to the little church members. He was considered one of the youngest megachurch pastors in the country when he . Hillsong has produced a body of singable and infectious songs that are meaningful, encouraging, and comforting for many believers. Im just not sure hell find it in the western church. Sounds like a ridiculous statement, but Im telling you, its something to ponder. [They] have developed music that a lot of people find catchy and spiritually nourishing, that has gone out into the world and served a lot of people but it turns out that the organization they serve is a bad organization.. One of the few evangelical colleges in New York City is in sudden financial crisis, and students are planning for a possible shutdown. Robert Morris also was the first to give Driscoll a platform after Driscoll resigned in 2014 from Mars Hill Church in Seattle for a pattern of arrogance and abusive leadership. And as we walk faithfully with God during these days, keeping our eyes fixed on him, I trust that he will work all these things together for our good and ultimately his glory.. Hillsong leaders have criticized the Discovery+ documentary, saying its slanted portrayal is an attempt to harm the church, not an effort to present a true and fair account its ministry work. Now we know, of course, that its not really their job to bring you closer to Jesus. For the many who want to brush the concept of white privilege aside, this acknowledgment is an important step toward engaging the conversation. The fundraiser included a beer flight (a sampling of various alcoholic beverages) as a part of an event pre-planned and postedon the ReformCon (a Bible conference held by Apologia) website advertising a beer flight from Boulders on Broadway with proceeds going to benefit our Kauaii church plant. Tickets were $22.09. . Morris told Driscoll in a special birthday message on a video posted to The Trinity Churchs Facebook page this past October. Seriously, Who? Perhaps other leaders will also question whether using their songs sends a message of endorsement. Hi. These are all points of seeming disagreement with White. The Bogards did not respond to a request for comment. Musicologists are very good at drawing up borders around the circumstances in which a piece of music was composed and the way the music itself goes, said Peter Mercer-Taylor, a professor at the University of Minnesota. So just to start, like, what exactly caused this enormous collapse of Hillsong? Another woman, Leona Kimes, whod worked for the Lentzs as a nanny, also alleged that Lentz took photos of and touched her without permission, and that both he and Laura had mocked and bullied her daily. Currently, four of the ten most popular worship songs sung in churches have come out of Hillsong (The Goodness of God, What a Beautiful Name, Who You Say I Am, and King Of Kings). I dont think there is a silver bullet answer. Morris stated at the time that Driscoll was going through a difficulty that most of you have probably read about. Morris then claimed that not everything on the internet is true and added, There are some pastors, myself included, and some others that you would know, that were speaking into his life and hes listening.. Anyone looking to have a nuanced conversation about the future of Hillsongs music in the church may benefit from considering how musicologists and critics talk about important music with a troubling backstory. Yet, several high-profile pastors who have longtime supported Driscoll have stayed silent, including Jimmy Evans of XO Marriage, Robert Morris of Gateway Church, and North Coast Churchs Larry Osborne. As Solomon transitioned from leadership following a 37-year pastorate, McLean made major budget changes, scaling back the percentage of income spent on personnel and incentivizing staff departures. Hillsong: the megachurch that can't keep out of controversy . Engineers are drafting plans for a private entrance from the stage to Driscolls office so he can avoid interruptions from church attendees just one example, Freese said, of Driscolls increasing isolation. ,and She added that she is not familiar with the specific policies and procedures at McLean. Church staffers use campus surveillance technology to spy on congregants and those working or volunteering and rated people on a sliding loyalty scale, Freese said. All we ever wanted was acknowledgment of what was happening, Brandon Walker who helped the Bogards start the Dallas branch in 2019 and previously talked about excessive spending told The Post of the email. In response to The Posts request for comment, Hillsong sent Houstons apology tweet. Yes, I wonder if the large church model isnt doomed. That makes it sadder. . 10:25 A strangers voice, like Driscoll, they will not follow. I'm just wondering, how big was it really? She claimed that when she tried to tell pastors at Hillsong, they "blamed and silenced" her. The Washington-area megachurch led by best-selling author David Platt has affirmed three new eldersbut only after a public tussle over politics, race, and alleged liberal drift, plus a lawsuit . Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. People may decide they just cant justify subsidizing the organization behind the brand. Its totally possible to critique him without trying to make some broader statement about complementarianism/evangelicalism/Christianity/masculinity/Trumpism or whatever other hobby horse one might have. We dont evaluate historical compositions and Billboard hits in the same way we consider music meant to facilitate worship, but the question of the separation between art and artist, or even art and the system that generated it, is a relevant one. espaol, CBN-backed candidate Mike Stone received 48 percent of the vote in last months SBC presidential election, finishing second to Alabama pastor Ed Litton. At a June 30 meeting, nominees Chuck Hollingsworth, Jim Burris, and Ken Tucker had failed to receive a clear 75 percent majority, the margin required for elder election. But it's a huge church with campuses all over the world, with friends in very powerful places and certainly in the U.S. And the New York campus, that was known for these lines around the block. And they all are robbing God of His glory by taking as much of it for themselves. The SBC is "riddled" with controversy, Burke believes, with its sex abuse scandals and doctrinal disputes. (Hint: Thats on you). The 2nd was Bill Gothards legalism. They see the content of songs themselves as a priority, not to mention the familiarity and sing-ability, over whats happening at the church that bears the same name. Hillsong United performs in concert in March 2022, weeks after Brian Houston's resignation. And really, how can they? This existence is no sort of life for a pastor. But it began to feel like, wow, this is a lot of justification for incident after incident. I hate to say it but there are many women that arent sugar and spice and everything nice. To unlock this article for your friends, use any of the social share buttons on our site, or simply copy the link below. The three-part Discovery+ docuseries Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed re-examines the churchs tangled history including the recent downfalls of co-founder Brian Houston and its most famous pastor, Carl Lentz. In an August 28 sermon, Chandler told his megachurch that's based in Flower Mound, TX that a women approached him concerned about messages he was having with her friend via Instagram. While tens of thousands flocked to campus, school officials met in a storage closet to make decisions that would honor what is happening.. Church was not really designed to be such an institutional behemoth (see Acts). For over a year, Pastor Robert has not had any official position of oversight with Trinity Church but is available if counsel is sought by the church leaders, Briskey said. I think people in this forum could do a lot better at understanding this. But Sunday isnt the currency, its the cherry on top. To meet Driscolls demand, one staffer canceled his sons birthday party, another disrupted long-anticipated vacation plans, and a third canceled crucial marriage counseling with his wife, Freese said. Under Solomon, the congregation had been known as a holy destination for GOP senators and Bush aides. Tensions ramped up the past two years amid political turmoil in the DC area and nationwide. (These actions were previously reported by The Roys Report). But to simply read another tweet about another disgraced mega-pastor and think its their problem is to ignore the bigger issue. Before becoming top dog at the Texas branch, Reed Bogard served as the head of finances at Hillsong NYC, where former members alleged that he and Jess exploited congregants for free labor and used tithe money to fund their luxury lifestyles. These people are exceptions to the rule, not a means by which to prove it. Good evening Staff/Family, If I were the HR leader in a large corporate organization, it would be expected and required for to construct a political statement to affirm the monumental results of the verdict of guilty for all three felony charges in the public murder of Mr. George . NPR transcripts are created on a rush deadline by an NPR contractor. It features interviews with critics, former employees and members, and a woman. Hopefully, thats the point. We are an extension and expression of Hillsong Church.. Back at McLean, Platt and his fellow elders are urging the church in that direction. . . Following months of internal scandal and shocking allegations, Hillsongs founders have informed congregants that the Australia-based institutions only Texas church will be closing up shop until further notice. When the childrens ministry doesnt do check-in efficiently, we believe the pastor should know. 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