Has First Dallas never handled any controversy or discipline case wrong? I know in theory you agree with He must increase, I must decrease as do I. Please dont feel sad that someone disagrees with you. The Amazon website only has E S Williams book on sale as 30:08.! I surrendered to a calling of God. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. ", "What is dispensationalism? John MacArthur Takes on the New Apostolic Reformation & Rick Perry's Prayer Event This is a portion of the transcript from John MacArthur's sermon from October 23, 2011 . There is nothing more basic than these. All rights reserved. Reiterating his stance on 1 Timothy 2:12, he went on to state, "There is no case that can be made biblically for a woman preacher. [41] MacArthur compared the assertion that sexual orientation is a born trait to a hypothetical bank robber's protestation, "I keep robbing banks, but I'm a robber. Thats hypocrisy, and no, that doesnt constitute name calling. It demonstrates a mindset that says this is MY church. You can follow him on Twitter @timothynerozzi and can email him at timothy.nerozzi@fox.com, Get all the stories you need-to-know from the most powerful name in news delivered first thing every morning to your inbox. (John MacArthur). In 2012, at the annual Shepherd's Conference, MacArthur was participating in a word association questionnaire when the moderator gave the name "Steven Furtick." I dont do stock answers. "[26] He has a complementarian view on gender roles and considers that the Bible forbids women to preach to men or to exercise authority over men in churches, and he believes that the Biblical roles of elder and pastor are restricted to men. 2) You actually did explictly state that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be preached or lived. David, you try very hard to always get the last word and I knew that the question you asked was loaded. No pastor should be above reproach, there should be no untouchables in the church; even Peter was rebuked by Paul when it was necessary. 4) Your last post just uses ad hom and tries to dodge justifying your original statement about Chandler by attacking me and what I have said, whilst giving not one concrete example. New International Version From 20052015, MacArthur made about $3.4 million in compensation from GTY and TMUS, for an average of about $320,000/year. 4) Wrong on all counts. It is not really a battle between science and the Bible. 23,12! "Just so you know, Pastor John had a bug this week and preached our first hour but asked if he might be able to take a break for the second hour. Your reference to Isis was, in my opinion, ill-judged given recent events. He argues that "the battle for the beginning is ultimately a battle between two mutually exclusive faiths faith in Scripture versus faith in anti-theistic hypotheses. Last year, when far-reaching government restrictions were put in place, the megachurch continued holding indoor worship services despite bans on such gatherings. Sadly The Lord will deal with him, and it will be very painful for him and his family. As for your other points, Matt Chandlers church eventually acted only after a number of Christian magazines and websites had highlighted their initial inaction. It is about the honour and glory of our triune God. [2] He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in Santa Clarita and The Master's Seminary. In 2019, at the Truth Matters Conference, during another word association questionnaire, MacArthur was given the prompt "Beth Moore". As I trust that you would not deliberately bear false witness against me, can I ask that, in future, you read any comment very carefully before making such serious accusations? One of the victims (Eileen Gray) in particular was shamed publically in front of the congregation by MacArthur for divorcing a David Gray who later was convicted of aggravated child molestation, corporal injury to a child, and child abuse. Simply not true. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. You equate him with the false teaching of Furtick and Elevation Church. I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign Lord. What if Joh MacArthur preached at Steven Furtick's church?Christian Music is Destroying Millions?great worship and sound doctrine.What's wrong with Elevation. Finally, you make the extremely serious accusation that I have caused disunity in the body of Christ by calling Matt Chandler a false teacher and by comparing him with Scott McKenna; both accusations are totally false and completely unacceptable. 2) There are inherent dangers in mega churches which some of your other contributors have highlighted. Will you not come and revive us? And it is culturally not relevant to us at all! Didnt appreciate the joking about drug use. 38, 31-32). Hardly the same as Furticks message! Your endorsement of Williams book which I have now read is indicative of that. Opinion Page Brooks and David Bumgardner And if you want to learn of the dangers of this movement I would recommend that you read The New Calvinists: Changing The Gospel by E S Williams. [20] The event featured a number of speakers who argued for cessationist theology and strongly critiqued the Charismatic Movement. For what its worth, I fully support your stand in almost everything else. If I were like that I would have to discount the Church at Pentecost! L.A. County has reportedly spent nearly $1 million in attorneys fees and other costs since the legal battle with Grace Community Church began. as there are with me. The elders had publicly disciplined a woman for refusing . So it wasnt all bad. what evidence do you have for that?). I have read only one or two books by John Piper and Timothy Keller and dont really know much about them. He spoke for an hour without notes and held his audience completely in the palm of his hand he is a brilliant orator using all the tricks of the trade. This is another attempt to pick a fight with another straw man. "We are not heard for our many words, but for the cry of our hearts." Firstly in the teaching. 3) You respond by providing no evidence and say that you are not against mega churches. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. [14] In 1986, he was made President of the new Master's Seminary. I didnt even mention Chandler in my comment, let alone call him a false teacher (and have never done so). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfoO6hMSLc. I know of individuals who actually talk openly about having a church!!! Its a nasty wee trick to try and shut someone up by complaining that they always try and have the last word if they reply then of course you are proved right and can feel self-justified. In John MacArthur's book, "The Truth War" he writes that " Churches today are filled with people like that. . He did not say Timothy Keller is an anti-Christian preacher. Wendy Guay's friend, Lisa Ward, was a witness to an attempted abuse by Paul against herself and his own daughter back in 1979. More here: https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Thanks very helpfulalthough I think that the money and the me focus are a key part of the false teaching. I know of Alistair Begg from his Hamilton Baptist days but not much else. The news clip above catalogues the controversy about his $1.8 million new build house caused. The entire message was based around how God can meet all MY needs. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. So it would be a bit premature to throw them on a bonfire another example of your sly prose which was unwarranted. to this article here https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/). We are pleased to report that he is doing well," Grace Community Church wrote Monday on their website. (What a great sales pitch why dont you try it next time David I will even make the trip to Dundee to hear you). MacArthur is a strong proponent of expository preaching, and has been acknowledged by Christianity Today as one of the most influential preachers of his time. If that is the last word then so be it. So for me this is not about petty jealousies, nor anti-Americanisms, nor cheap shots at other peoples foibles in order to make me feel better. John MacArthur, the pastor of California's Grace Community Church, delivers a sermon to his congregation, January 2021. You call them out or call them to repentance but see no need to repent yourself. I would urge you to reread the comments by G White and your own responses to them before prayerfully replying. 'Changed My Whole Entire Being': Ex-Strip Club Owner Born Again, Now Works to Help Victims of Sex Trafficking, US Cracks Down, Bans TikTok on All Federal Phones. Los Angeles County had sued the church and its pastor, John MacArthur, last August after officials said he had he opened the church and held a large indoor worship service with unmasked attendees . They drift from church to church. They are usually absorbed in religion for self-centered reasons. Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. And also trying to get to know what God says in His Word and please stop shouting at those you know nothing about. Give me one example of Kellers irreverence? The screenshot below is from page 4 of Elevation Church's helpful Spontaneous Baptism How To Guide. Drawn from over fifty years of intense Bible study and regular expository teaching, John MacArthur's verse-by-verse study notes, book introductions, and articles display an unwavering commitment to interpretive precisionwith the goal of making God known through His Word. Chandler only eventually took action as the wheels were about to fall off the Mars Hill bus and, sadly, only when great damage had already been done to the body of Christ. Given that is neither what I wrote, nor what I think. (By the way I would suggest that you learn what is name is). That is just nuts. For all who oppose success in serving Jesus Christ!!! You've successfully subscribed to this newsletter! Not on Amazon it aint! Why do you think I should apologise for my Amazon remarks (which were simply that I could only find it on my Amazon feed at 30)? But anyone who writes on my blog and brings such serious accusations is going to have to provide evidence, and you will be challenged. And if the thousands of baptisms represent thousands of people coming to Christ, how could one not rejoice? Finally, I just checked my Amazon app and what do you know, the book I mentioned is still for sale at 3.50 and there are 8 copies left. 1) There is only One only speaks the truth and it aint Steven Furtick. In the sermon above Stephen lets out a wee quip at the beginning when responding to some criticism go start your own church. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Now of course the labourer is worthy of his hire, and it is not a sin to be rich. Either way the theory that a pastor should be poor is ignorant. Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. Can you forget your ministries, your programs, and your visions and instead seek to follow Christs? And there are some well-liked denominations and networks of churches on Facebook pages too: john macarthur on elevation church. G White had stated that Matt Chandler was not a good example of teaching or living and then went on to pass on gossip about a particular discipline case in the Village Church. MacArthur responded, "Go home." Williams has more than misgivings about neo-Calvinism (as he calls it to call Piper, Keller and the Proclamation Trust neo-Calvinists is just silly). To this end he cites the biblical passage of 1 Timothy 2:11-12. I would be tempted to add, Because youre worth it! Name me one church that has handled everything well. Cool name, cool Church I knew that it was one of the fastest growing mega churches in the USA, and had heard a little of its pastor, the dynamic Stephen Furtick. I stated that the danger comes from false teachers AND from those who allow the word of God to be compromised by turning a blind eye. 5) Yes the legalism one still stands. The incident referred to was a very serious matter and Christian publications in th USA documented the churchs mishandling of it, which was why I had urged caution. John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. This is a really long post that deals almost exclusively, unfortunately, with secondary issues (church size, communications gifts, me focus, salary, wealth, size of house, and more) and thereby obscures the central and clarifying point of Furticks ministry. It can only harm true Gospel work, and promote worldliness in the churches. And if you want classic legalism try this Truly converted young believers have an inborn instinct to turn away from their previous worldly music and dress styles. Dear David, In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. People make millions selling sex, playing sports and funny you never hear the news say that is wrong. Because Elevation Church certainly dont want to. You had already given your opinion about it before you had read it so you are being consistent at least. Oh and sorry about the ironic and sarky remark about being mature enough for you! Conclusion: And now I wait. [52], Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California, Independent Fundamental Churches of America, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "Theology and Ministry: An Interview with John MacArthur", "1998 Gold Medallion Book Awards Winners", "Voice of Calvary Legacy - The Legacy - Page 3", "When should a Christian fight for his country? Opinion Preston Clegg. Im not rich at all but Im also not jealous of someone who has far more people and more money. Whites equation of Chandler with Furtick being one such example, your comparison of Matt Chandler with Scott McKenna being another. 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I wonder if you thought the same and you told me that in order to come across as thinking that you mentioned one which you thought was ok/good. Your other comments were directly applied to the Megachurch movement I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. Again I am glad that you were not criticising the whole mega church movement (although I am sure you will understand why your initial post can be read that way).which megachurches are you happy with? Radio Scotland Abortion Debate Edited Highlights, https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw, http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0, http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop, https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly, Most Read Wee Flea Articles in 2017 THE BLOG OF DAVID ROBERTSON. Because he is a pastor? Use the Church Finder to locate churches with TMS alumni around the world. L ast week, John MacArthur celebrated 50 years in the pastorate at a conference at his congregation Grace Community Church. New Artificial Intelligence Program ChatGPT Generates Concern: A Liberal Bias? When asked why he marketed his book (or to be more accurate why the church paid thousands to market his book), he was unapologetic, if he didnt believe the message he wouldnt market it. . Its always good to get correction! In case theology and ecclesiology sounds almost too technical and dulljust remember we are talking about who is God, and what is his church? It appears this lawsuit is going in our favor, MacArthur said Sunday. So far there has been no evidence given for assertion. When people are being led astray genuine believers must stand up challenge and expose. But I find it astonishing that you cite it here in a massive church (and smaller churches) there are bound to be people who are sex abusers and the church will not always handle that well. Market data provided by Factset. You rightly speak out against the Scott McKennas of this world but you seem to have a blind spot where certain pastors are concerned. 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